Signature FoRK Debate Moves — a list of cut-out-and-keep debating tactics
for mailing lists, featuring such tried-and-trusted feints and lunges as
the Old Post Resurrection Embarrassment, The Link Slam (my
favourite), and the truly beautiful to behold Tom Whore.
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 04:06:49 -0500
From: Jeff Bone (spam-protected)
To: (spam-protected)
Subject: Signature FoRK Debate Moves
(In memory of CobraBoy… Humor Ark Ark?)
So much as I hate to say it, FoRK is pretty analogous to the WWF in
many ways. As such, it too has its signature moves. In
deconstructing the recent rambles and pondering the Debate-O-Matic
ideas that have been tossed about, it occurred to me that it might be
worthwhile to document some of those signature moves. Here’s a rough
cut. (Before anybody starts yelling, let me acknowledge that I
indulge in almost all if not every one of these myself on a regular
basis. This isn’t (hypo)criticism, it’s reflection.)
The Character Assassination
The Character Assassination is a classic maneuver with a fairly
self-explanatory name. Rather than attacking the point of argument
itself, the attacker seeks to undermine the defendant his/herself.
This is done in a variety of ways, yielding variations that are each
themselves worthy of study. The general character assassination
attack can take two modes: direct and indirect. In the direct
attack, the attacker draws directly from the surrounding debate
context in order to build material — relevant or not — which is
positioned to undermine the defendant’s credibility, and therefore
weaken their position. In the indirect attack, the attacker uses
context outside of the debate itself to executive the move.
The Stereotype Assassination
The Stereotype Assassination is a variation on the Character
Assassination. In it, the attacker seeks to draw parallels — real
or otherwise — between the defendant’s position and a tendency to
unthinkingly buy into stereotypes. Because we all “know” that
stereotypes are over generalizations, narrow-minded, and generally
“wrong” the attacker is able to undermine the defendant’s credibility
and therefore their position without addressing specific issues at
all. The stereotype maneuver is ironic in nature; the attacker is
usually utilizing unfounded generalization from the defendant’s
actual argument in order to paint the defendant as engaging in
stereotyped thinking.
The Category Assassination
The Category Assassination is in many respects the ironic complement
of the Stereotype Assassination. In this move, the attacker builds
the perception in the audience’s mind that the defendant belongs to
some particular category, and then makes the assertion that the
category in question has some particular stereotyped mindset /
behavior / what have you; by having such behavior, the attacker
asserts, the defendant cannot possibly have a position of merit -wrt-
the current debate.
The Context Stomp
The Context Stomp is a cheap but effective maneuver. In it, the
attacker intentionally misrepresents something the defendant
asserted, taking a particular point out of context and flaying the
hell out of it. Doing so may or may not detract from the defendant’s
position, but it certainly distracts. The defendant is put on the
defensive, and must clean up the situation before proceeding to
prosecute his or her point.
The Level Lunge
The Level Lunge is another distraction maneuver. The attacker seeks
to gain points by plummeting down the metalevel ladder; first, the
meta-argument is attacked, and then the meta-meta-argument, and so
on. This is a good maneuver to engage when the attacker is on the
outs, losing the fight, as it can force a stalemate. (A successful
Level Lunge resulting in a stalemate is referred to a Stack Overflow
Termination.)
The Slight-Of-Hand Strawman
In the Slight-Of-Hand Strawman, the attacker directly engages the
defendant’s arguments, but during the process subtly shifts the
point. After doing this long enough, the attacker has constructed a
weak strawman which is quickly knocked down for the kill. The SOHS
is widely regarded as a cheap maneuver not worthy of FoRK. In past
lives though not on FoRK, Gojomo has been known to be a skillful
master of this maneuver.
The Zecious Zero
In the Zecious Zero, the attacker tediously constructs an apparently
logical framework, states that it is formally correct and any
disagreement must therefore be merely a definitional / semantic
matter, and vigorously defends the formal framework. It should be
noted that in most cases the framework constructed is “zecious” in
the extreme; while having the appearance of a very detailed formal
framework, it is usually internally inconsistent. Only the
complexity of the framework hides the inconsistency. (Kudos to
Gordon Mohr for coining the term “zecious.”)
The Extrapolation Explosion
The Extrapolation Explosion is a combo Context Stomp / SOHS special.
In it, the attacker puts together multiple iterative context stomps
and SOHSes in one post, extrapolating from the current debate, until
the defendant’s argument is so grossly distorted that it cannot
maintain its integrity. This move is extremely hard to defend
against; in this regard, it resembles the Level Lunge in that
attempting to counter usually results in Stack Overflow Termination.
The Insinuendo
The Insinuendo is not an attack per se, rather a feint. It is a mild
and subtle CA move which is not intended to score but rather to
disorient the defendant and plant the seeds of doubt in the minds of
the audience. When executed correctly, it can be very effective;
however, FoRK isn’t a particularly subtle place, so we don’t even see
this one attempted very often.
The Jane-You-Ignorant-Slut
The JYIS is an Insinuendo without the subtlety. It is almost
entirely ineffective in either disorienting the defendant or in
seeding doubt among the audience, but it does have one beneficial
effect. When executed well, it demonstrates the attacker’s superb
sense of humor and comedic timing, and therefore scores points *for*
the attacker without actually taking them away from the defendant.
FoRK tends to see JYIS at the tail end of threads collapsing into
rhetorical holes, which is unfortunate; it’s a beautiful maneuver,
but worthless in such a situation.
The Mortar Lob
The Mortar Lob is the Hail Mary of our moves. It involves
drastically changing the topic mid-thread, making an extreme shift
towards some position entirely unrelated, and firing away. It is
usually a last ditch effort employed as a defensive conversion
maneuver when one is on the way out. The Mortar Lob almost never
works, but if you don’t try it, you’re a pussy.
The Loaded Word Gambit
In this move, the attacker loads the argument up with words which
carry significant emotional baggage and implication. By appealing to
the knee-jerk interpretations of these words, the attacker seeks to
gain the advantage. The Loaded Word Gambit is almost never
effective, and often results in the Semantic-Spiral-Of-Death.
The Semantic Death Spiral
This maneuver is often used in either of two contexts. It is often
engaged when both positions are rhetorically strong, or when the
rhetorical frameworks employed cannot be meshed at all. It’s an
endless recursion of definitional arguments, with each combatant
seeking to co-opt the other’s argument by defining away any
disagreement. The Faith Thread is a good recent example of a tag
team SDS bout.
The Curse and Recurse
The Curse and Recurse is a disorienting attack in which the attacker
gets all wiggy to throw the defendant off, pops the stack, then
circles back around to resume the same attack sequence that didn’t
work the first time around. This can go on forever unless it falls
into some terminal sequence.
The Old Post Resurrection Embarrassment
In this attack, the attacker diligently — perhaps through a
significant act of e-mail archaeology — seeks to undermine the
opponent’s position. This attack can take a variety of forms. It is
often used to illustrate some (potentially irrelevant) inconsistency
between the defendant’s current position and some position adopted in
a previous bout. It can also be used, as by Greg Bolcer recently, to
illustrate the fundamental incorrectness of the defendant’s position
by referring to a previous post made by somebody else. When deployed
as the latter, this move is also known as The FoRK Historical
Stupidity Attack. There is no effective defense against the Old Post
Resurrection Nightmare, though the defendant may sometimes attempt
the Teflon Don in retaliation.
The Drunken Master
The Drunken Master is a move intended to completely imbalance the
attacker. It is often employed after a brief hiatus during which the
attacker engages in some late night substance abuse; the attacker
then blathers at top volume until the defendant is totally
unbalanced, at which point the attacker attempts to close in for the
kill. (And usually falls on his/her face in the process.) The
Drunken Master always feels good at the time, but is usually
regretted the next day.
The Pedantic Nightmare
The Pedantic Nightmare is the complement of the Semantic Death
Spiral. In it, the argument is focused on its formal structure,
without regard to semantics. The attacker seeks to use endlessly
tedious formal reasoning in order to illustrate the inconsistency of
the defendant. It is usually ineffective both through the attacker’s
failure to prosecute it properly and the defendant’s unwillingness to
let it happen.
The Dennis Miller
Also known as The Reference Roundhouse. In this move, the attacker
attempts to co-opt credibility by dazzling the defendant and the
audience with a barrage of not particularly relevant references,
preferably obscure, usually nonauthoritative. The theory is that if
the attacker has such a vast array of trivial knowledge at their
disposal, surely they are therefore correct in their assertions. (I
know, it doesn’t make sense, but that doesn’t stop us from trying it
from time to time.) The Dennis Miller is often coupled with the
Teflon Don when things go awry, which is pretty funny when you think
about it. The Dennis Miller can be effective in the right context,
and is almost always fun to watch.
The Vocab Blitz
The Vocab Blitz is another credibility co-opt maneuver intended to
add punch to a particular attack. The Vocab Blitz involves
maximizing the syllabic length of any and every possible word in a
particular parry in order to demonstrate the attacker’s
intelligence. Clearly, such a genius much be infallible. (Or so the
thinking goes.) The Vocab Blitz is cheap and meaningless.
The Link Slam
The Link Slam is an attempt to shore up an attack by over reference.
The theory is that clearly the attacker has researched the issue much
more thoroughly than the defendant. Whether this is believed or not,
this can be effective; it often sends the defendant on a fact chase,
therefore distracting them enough for the attacker to make a
finishing move.
The Psuedofact Slam
The Psuedofact Slam is like the Link Slam, but without the links. In
this move, the attacker shores up their position with a seemingly
limitless array of very specific sounding and potentially believable
supporting “facts.” These “facts” need not and often do not have any
factual basis whatsoever; the attacker need not even do a Google
beforehand, as no attribution or support is provided. Only a
diligent defender can effectively parry a Psuedofact Slam.
The SYGIGH
Also known as The Cartman, the Screw-You-Guys-Im-Going-Home is a
defensive measure of last resort, effectively ending the bout without
a victory condition. Pretty clear from its name what it consists of,
the SYGIGH was most recently effectively employed by our own Strata
in a debate with Yours Truly. The SYGIGH almost always results in a
rematch, once the party who employs it decides a rematch is needed.
The False-Falling-On-Ones-Sword
This maneuver consists of the attacker feigning a conciliatory or
self deprecating position, in an attempt to draw the attacker in and
put them off guard. It is usually immediately followed up by some
combo of the Slams, or even — particularly effectively — an Old
Post Resurrection Embarrassment.
The Overpost Armageddon
The Overpost Armageddon is a massive blitz of sequential follow-up
e-mails, each of which typically tears a single previous post apart
line by line, employing various attacks. The goal of the Overpost
Armageddon is to completely overwhelm the defendant, making it
literally impossible for them to counter each attack. The author is
periodically the reigning master of this particular maneuver, though
in his case this is believed to be the result of some
neuropsychological disorder such as TLE- or OCD-induced
hypergraphia. The problem with this maneuver is that it usually
leaves everyone involved — including the attacker — exhausted for
days.
The Teflon Don
This is a particularly obnoxious defensive maneuver in which one
eliminates all possibility of further damage simply by claiming that
the positions taken, rhetorical style employed, formal structure,
definitional correctness, or behavior in any way represent one’s own
character, beliefs, etc. The Teflon Don is a terminal move, which
cannot be countered, though it should be recognized for what it is:
the king of all cop-outs.
The Consistency Spasm
The Consistency Spasm is a disorienting attack in which the attacker
alternates between two obviously inconsistent positions in order to
find maximum advantage from which to press further attacks. It’s not
a pretty sight. Only the most steadfast defendant will hang in there
instead of simply leaving the ring in disgust.
The Circular Thrash
The Circular Thrash employs single level circular “logic” in order to
support the attacker’s position. It’s impossible to counter if
undetected, but is a risky proposition: upon discovering a Circular
Thrash, the defendant needs to merely cry out “Shenanigans!” in order
to call the match and declare victory. If this is done, the attacker
who attempted the Circular Thrash is usually surprised to find
themselves standing alone in the center of the ring, calling out
“Hey! I wasn’t done yet!”
The Running-To-The-Edges
The Running-To-The-Edges is a particularly sophisticated attack
derived from both the Extrapolation Explosion and the Level Lunge.
In it, the attacker immediately level jumps not with respect to the
meta-argument level but rather to the maturity-of-argument level. In
doing so, the attacker takes the defendant’s nascent and ill-defined
condition and fires a barrage of edge cases at it which appear to
contradict it. The conceit is that this invalidates the defendant’s
admittedly general argument, by implying that the edge cases cannot
be reconciled with the defendant’s position. Russell recently
introduced this maneuver to FoRK, where it has enjoyed immediate
popularity.
The TrapperKeeper
Named for the South Park terminator spoof episode, The TrapperKeeper
is the most beautiful, elegant, and sought after of moves. In it,
the attacker baits the defendant with arguments or assertions that
the defendant should conditionally agree with. If the bait is
successful, if the defendant “touches” the attacker’s TrapperKeeper,
sharp spikes shoot out to impale the defendant. Unfortunately, the
TrapperKeeper has to this author’s knowledge never been effectively
executed on FoRK.
The Tom Whore
The only eponymous move in our repertoire, The Tom Whore is a joy to
behold when executed properly. In it, the attacker becomes
simultaneously so artfully obscure / obtuse that no retaliation is
possible. The immediate effect is that the defendant is left looking
rather dazed while picking the Speedo wedgie out of their ass crack.
Whew. Anyone have any additions or edits?
Your faithful servant,
Lucifr
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The view from Islamabad, courtesy of Z Magazine via FoRK.
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:41:21 -0700
From: “Bill Hofmann” (spam-protected)
To: (spam-protected)
Subject: FW: ZNet Commentary / Hoodbhoy / the view from Islamabad / Sept 17
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> BLACK TUESDAY: THE VIEW FROM ISLAMABAD
> by Pervez Hoodbhoy
>
> Samuel Huntington’s evil desire for a clash between civilizations may
> well come true after Tuesday’s terror attacks. The crack that divided
> Muslims everywhere from the rest of the world is no longer a crack. It
> is a gulf, that if not bridged, will surely destroy both.
>
> For much of the world, it was the indescribable savagery of seeing
> jet-loads of innocent human beings piloted into buildings filled with
> other innocent human beings. It was the sheer horror of watching people
> jump from the 80th floor of the collapsing World Trade Centre rather
> than be consumed by the inferno inside. Yes, it is true that many
> Muslims also saw it exactly this way, and felt the searing agony no less
> sharply. The heads of states of Muslim countries, Saddam Hussein
> excepted, condemned the attacks. Leaders of Muslim communities in the
> US, Canada, Britain, Europe, and Australia have made impassioned
> denunciations and pleaded for the need to distinguish between ordinary
> Muslims and extremists.
>
> But the pretence that reality goes no further must be abandoned because
> this merely obfuscates facts and slows down the search for solutions.
> One would like to dismiss televised images showing Palestinian
> expressions of joy as unrepresentative, reflective only of the crass
> political immaturity of a handful. But this may be wishful thinking.
> Similarly, Pakistan Television, operating under strict control of the
> government, is attempting to portray a nation united in condemnation of
> the attack. Here too, the truth lies elsewhere, as I learn from students
> at my university here in Islamabad, from conversations with people in
> the streets, and from the Urdu press. A friend tells me that crowds
> gathered around public TV sets at Islamabad airport had cheered as the
> WTC came crashing down. It makes one feel sick from inside.
>
> A bizarre new world awaits us, where old rules of social and political
> behavior have broken down and new ones are yet to defined. Catapulted
> into a situation of darkness and horror by the extraordinary force of
> events, as rational human beings we must urgently formulate a response
> that is moral, and not based upon considerations of power and
> practicality. This requires beginning with a clearly defined moral
> supposition – the fundamental equality of all human beings. It also
> requires that we must proceed according to a definite sequence of steps,
> the order of which is not interchangeable.
>
>
> Before all else, Black Tuesday’s mass murder must be condemned in the
> harshest possible terms without qualification or condition, without
> seeking causes or reasons that may even remotely be used to justify it,
> and without regard for the national identity of the victims or the
> perpetrators. The demented, suicidical, fury of the attackers led to
> heinous acts of indiscriminate and wholesale murder that have changed
> the world for the worse. A moral position must begin with unequivocal
> condemnation, the absence of which could eliminate even the language by
> which people can communicate.
>
> Analysis comes second, but it is just as essential. No “terrorist” gene
> is known to exist or is likely to be found. Therefore, surely the
> attackers, and their supporters, who were all presumably born normal,
> were afflicted by something that caused their metamorphosis from normal
> human beings capable of gentleness and affection into desperate,
> maddened, fiends with nothing but murder in their hearts and minds.
> What was that?
>
> Tragically, CNN and the US media have so far made little attempt to
> understand this affliction. The cost for this omission, if it is to stay
> this way, cannot be anything but terrible. What we have seen is probably
> the first of similar tragedies that may come to define the 21st century
> as the century of terror. There is much claptrap about “fighting
> terrorism” and billions are likely to be poured into surveillance,
> fortifications, and emergency plans, not to mention the ridiculous idea
> of missile defence systems. But, as a handful of suicide bombers armed
> with no more than knives and box-cutters have shown with such
> devastating effectiveness, all this means precisely nothing. Modern
> nations are far too vulnerable to be protected – a suitcase nuclear
> device could flatten not just a building or two, but all of Manhattan.
> Therefore, the simple logic of survival says that the chances of
> survival are best if one goes to the roots of terror.
>
> Only a fool can believe that the services of a suicidical terrorist can
> be purchased, or that they can be bred at will anywhere. Instead, their
> breeding grounds are in refugee camps and in other rubbish dumps of
> humanity, abandoned by civilization and left to rot. A global
> superpower, indifferent to their plight, and manifestly on the side of
> their tormentors, has bred boundless hatred for its policies. In supreme
> arrogance, indifferent to world opinion, the US openly sanctions daily
> dispossession and torture of the Palestinians by Israeli occupation
> forces. The deafening silence over the massacres in Qana, Sabra, and
> Shatila refugee camps, and the video-gamed slaughter by the Pentagon of
> 70,000 people in Iraq, has brought out the worst that humans are capable
> of. In the words of Robert Fisk, “those who claim to represent a
> crushed, humiliated population struck back with the wickedness and
> awesome cruelty of a doomed people”.
>
> It is stupid and cruel to derive satisfaction from such revenge, or from
> the indisputable fact that Osama and his kind are the blowback of the
> CIAs misadventures in Afghanistan. Instead, the real question is: where
> do we, the inhabitants of this planet, go from here? What is the lesson
> to be learnt from the still smouldering ruins of the World Trade Centre?
>
> If the lesson is that America needs to assert its military might, then
> the future will be as grim as can be. Indeed, Secretary Colin Powell,
> has promised “more than a single reprisal raid”. But against whom? And
> to what end? No one doubts that it is ridiculously easy for the US to
> unleash carnage. But the bodies of a few thousand dead Afghans will not
> bring peace, or reduce by one bit the chances of a still worse terrorist
> attack.
>
> This not an argument for inaction: Osama and his gang, as well as other
> such gangs, if they can be found, must be brought to justice. But
> indiscriminate slaughter can do nothing except add fuel to existing
> hatreds. Today, the US is the victim but the carpet-bombing of
> Afghanistan will cause it to squander the huge swell of sympathy in its
> favour the world over. Instead, it will create nothing but revulsion and
> promote never-ending tit-for-tat killings.
>
> Ultimately, the security of the United States lies in its re-engaging
> with the people of the world, especially with those that it has
> grieviously harmed. As a great country, possessing an admirable
> constitution that protects the life and liberty of its citizens, it must
> extend its definition of humanity to cover all peoples of the world. It
> must respect international treaties such as those on greenhouse gases
> and biological weapons, stop trying to force a new Cold War by pushing
> through NMD, pay its UN dues, and cease the aggrandizement of wealth in
> the name of globalization.
>
> But it is not only the US that needs to learn new modes of behaviour.
> There are important lessons for Muslims too, particularly those living
> in the US, Canada, and Europe. Last year I heard the arch-conservative
> head of Pakistan’s Jamat-i-Islami, Qazi Husain Ahmad, begin his lecture
> before an American audience in Washington with high praise for a
> “pluralist society where I can wear the clothes I like, pray at a
> mosque, and preach my religion”. Certainly, such freedoms do not exist
> for religious minorities in Pakistan, or in most Muslim countries. One
> hopes that the misplaced anger against innocent Muslims dissipates soon
> and such freedoms are not curtailed significantly. Nevertheless, there
> is a serious question as to whether this pluralism can persist forever,
> and if it does not, whose responsibility it will be.
>
> The problem is that immigrant Muslim communities have, by and large,
> chosen isolation over integration. In the long run this is a
> fundamentally unhealthy situation because it creates suspicion and
> friction, and makes living together ever so much harder. It also raises
> serious ethical questions about drawing upon the resources of what is
> perceived to be another society, for which one has hostile feelings.
> This is not an argument for doing away with one’s Muslim identity. But,
> without closer interaction with the mainstream, pluralism will be
> threatened. Above all, survival of the community depends upon strongly
> emphasizing the difference between extremists and ordinary Muslims, and
> on purging from within jihadist elements committed to violence. Any
> member of the Muslim community who thinks that ordinary people in the US
> are fair game because of bad US government policies has no business
> being there.
>
> To echo George W. Bush, “let there be no mistake”. But here the mistake
> will be to let the heart rule the head in the aftermath of utter horror,
> to bomb a helpless Afghan people into an even earlier period of the
> Stone Age, or to take similar actions that originate from the spine.
> Instead, in deference to a billion years of patient evolution, we need
> to hand over charge to the cerebellum. Else, survival of this particular
> species is far from guaranteed.
>
> The author is professor of physics at Quaid-e-Azam University,
> Islamabad.
>
>
>
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